I am not sure if aluminium is a good material to have at the base of the laptop since its a good conductor of heat and can get quite hot at the bottom. Although its not likely anyone will put it on their lap when gaming, but still not a wise choice of material from my opinion. Also, I think it will be good to know if we can open the base of the laptop to service and to know what components can be upgraded.
If a laptop has aluminum on the bottom, it would likely be cooler. This is because the heat would be dissipated quickly across the entire bottom of the laptop (huge surface area). Whereas plastic would insulate the heat and any localized hot spot would heat up at the specific point and be difficult to dissipate that heat.
Exactly, plastic is an insulator, creating hot spots. Which are bad for everybody and everything involved.
The only debatably superior material for the bottom chassis would be magnesium, which has similar cooling performance to aluminum while being slightly lighter and stronger...and more expensive. This is, after all, a $900 machine with a fairly high end graphics card. Sure there are laptops in this price range with magnesium construction but they also lack a $200 dedicated graphics card.
I'm surprised Lenovo used aluminum at this price. The previous Y series were mostly plastic, with questionable long term GPU reliability.
Plastic or aluminum for the bottom is mostly irrelevant. The internal components aren't connected directly to the bottom. There's a thick layer of air in between, and air is a much better insulator than, well, just about anything except vacuum. Consequently, the vast majority of cooling comes from the fans venting the interior air outside. For any heat to dissipate through the bottom case material, it has to first transfer through the air, which is an almost negligible amount.
All the base needs is sufficient ventilation holes so this airflow from the fans is unimpeded. That's actually why the Macbook Pro 15 has heating problems despite using a 37W TDP CPU (the lowest power quad core Intel makes). Apple refuses to put ventilation holes in the bottom.
If you *did* attach internal components directly to the bottom, then you would want it to be plastic. Aluminum or magnesium would conduct heat so readily it'd act like a big heatsink and become too hot to actually place on your lap. Plastic would insulate your lap from the heat, thus assuring most of the heat is dissipated out via the fans.
Maybe you should read the article? Thermals were good.
"The results are excellent. The Y700 had no issues keeping up with the demand of the CPU and GPU, and GPU temperatures never even got over 65°C. The laptop itself was barely warm after this too, so Lenovo has packed in plenty of cooling to ensure that the system can maintain peak performance for as long as necessary."
You can open it by unscrewing I think 11 screws so the whole bottom part disattaches, After you unscrew you need to lift the lid up, and then press down the chassis at the front with your fingers hard. It is painful and tricky for the first time, and feels like you are about to crack something. Anyway there is a servicing guide floating the net I strongly advise to see it first and be patient. After you get the bottom part off you are welcome to add memory (unfortunately 8GB version has 2x4GB so you need to sell it and buy 2x8GB DDR4 for upgrade, add SSD in m.2 2280 format, replace the HDD if you want, etc. I also would point to servicing guide so you buy compatible SSD. BR
PS the Y700 14" model is very similar but packs everything into a smaller package, it is also fairly easy to upgrade: http://www.jdhodges.com/blog/lenovo-ideapad-y700-1... the capability to utilize a m.2 SSD, 2.5" SSD and DDR4 memory in a sub $700 laptop (before upgrades) is a pretty nice setup IMHO/
I'd like to know this too. I was very annoyed to discover that my Y410P was locked to the included WiFi card by a whitelist - that was two years ago, I'm curious to see if they've stopped doing that.
I believe they don't enforce a whitelist on ideapads, just thinkpads. I had no trouble upgrading a Y460's wireless card while a similar era T420 needed a Lenovo FRU.
The later bioses seem to be trending toward removing white lists though. I hope HP starts to do the same its fuxking ridiculous to lock down a machine where it can't be upgraded (because generally they don't whitelist upgrade components...I ran into this on my old elitebook 2560 that had no compatibility with even HP sku LTE modems, it was never given anything better than a 3G HSPA Qualcomm card.
All gaming laptops have been terribly un-exciting for some time due to GPU-vendors being very stuck with 28nm process. Before they get to move on, there is very little any OEM can do to actually bring the market considerably forwards...
Ok, does Lenovo still ship laptops with spyware built into BIOS that even Windows reinstall cannot remove? The one which breaks HTTPS and leaks things like your on-line banking?
After the incident, Lenovo released a utility and instructions to remove the unwanted software: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/... As far as I know, it was never built into the BIOS, however it was built into the recovery image that shipped with the computers. Regardless, a clean installation of Windows from the official media (not what the manufacturer gives you) is always the best way to go, in my experience.
Given how fast Lenovo backtracked once they were caught, I doubt they're still shipping anything with Superfish. And like mrcaffeinex says, I don't think it was ever embedded in the BIOS - just the recovery image.
I'm still wearing a tinfoil hat I suppose. Anyway, there are many other laptops out there that are as good or better than Lenovo, so I refuse to buy from a company I distrust.
You are correct, it's under the Dragon Age results - "even with the 4GB GTX 960M option, it pushes this card to its limits". Though it really should be listed in the spec table on the first page.
Bought one, to my wife for christmas, managed to configure windows etc. left it running overnight...boom next day doesn't turn on, keyboard flashes red once and screen is blank....returned it. Got a brand new one after 3 weeks. Enjoyed it for 2 weeks, left it on the table lid opened overnight, boom another bites the dust. Doesn't turn on... So either I am extremely unlucky...or their is something going on with that HW. Now I'm waiting for the 3rd replacement. My specs i5 6300hq, 15'', 8GB DDR4. Also as stated in review bleeding from the screen is just awful. So be warned...
I brougth one of these last year with a 1TB HDD, stuck a Samsung 950 Pro in it even though is not listed is being compatable. works fine. Boots native nvme and makes this laptop fly.
It's a shame they got so much right in a well balanced package only to use what amounts to be a run of the mill $50 LCD panel. I'm sure the QHD screen is better (because even the cheaper AU optronics screens are relatively good) but the point is well taken the 960m isn't adequate for that gaming resolution. Even the 980m would struggle in QHD FPS's.
I wonder if the non touch matte panel is better. I think a matte screen is more appropriate for a gaming laptop anyway.
Au contraire, streaming with an 8 thread i7 is much smoother than with an i5. I get CPU encode bottlenecks on my 4690K/980 Ti when streaming 1080p/60 but this machine has no problems with it.
I used to agree with you too but now I have to be able to stream at LANs. The games I run are low-spec but it's the streaming itself that most laptops can't handle, so this combination is perfect for my use case.
I have the Y50 which is a 15.6" version and it's a good gaming laptop for work and play. The only issue I have is the touchpad is very tricky and not big enough.
Really impressed with this laptop, got the 1 TB/8GB RAM model and put in an m.2 mSATA for less than $980 total. Other than the screen (which is indeed horrible and has terrible PWM flickering at lower brightness), the only thing that bothers me is that the trackpad is slightly uneven. Does the review unit also have this problem? Can't really tell from the photos.
On my unit the upper-left corner is millimetrically higher than the surrounding wrist rest area. It's nitpicking but I'm wondering if I should get it exchanged once I get back to living with my desktop.
I was also disappointed the day I got this Y700 with just 1TB 5400 rpm drive. It was damn slow when booting as if it has Intel Celeron inside. I replaced the HDD with a Kingston hyper x SSD and then I liked it. Out of the box, the display is really horrible as you have said it. I peeled off the plastic on the screen the same day, still it did not impress me much. But here is a solution which you can do since you have already spent your money for it: calibrate it. 1. Go to Control panel then Intel HD graphics, then Display. Select colour settings then select Basic. Reduce brightness from 0 to -20. Leave gamma and contrast as default. Click Apply. Then select Advance. Increase hue from 0 to 16, increase saturation from 0 to 57. Click Apply and close Intel HD graphics. 2. While still on control panel window, select Display then select Calibrate colour. Click next next next until you reach Adjust colour balance. Move the Red and Green sliders from 100% to somewhere around 85% by eye. Leave the Blue slider at 100% (default) and click Next then Finish. If you thought of selling that laptop, you will now think twice after doing these settings.
Whatever OEM first makes a gaming laptop that doesn`t look any different from your run-of-the-mill machine will get incredible money. Those things aren`t just ugly, they scream loser.
"It does include a number pad, but it is compressed into the rest of the keyboard when there is plenty of space on the laptop deck to stretch it out a bit."
I very much doubt that. If they did stretch it out there'd be no room for the ports on the side unless they made the laptop thicker.
I have a Y70-70, and I'm quite disappointed with it. Biggest problem is the laptop shutting down during gaming, probably due to overheating. The touch screen also acts occasionally, making the laptop non-responsive until I put it to sleep and out (with the power button). Keyboard isn't that great. In short, I'm weary of Lenovo's offerings right now.
Considering the GPU is the same and it comes with haswell instead of skylake (not much difference), I think the clearance prices on the y50-70 are a steal.
Seeing how close the GTX 960M with its 640 cores can get when compared with the GTX 870M with its 1344 cores shows how nVidia stopped optimizing for Kepler and considering that Maxwell is essentially a distilled Kepler, it will face the same fate once Pascal is launched, the fast aging syndrome.
Not to mention since I just bought mine and have been using it for light customization and light web surfing the battery has lasted me at, yep... just above 4 hours. Can you IMAGINE if I had been gaming?
Nowhere does it say it lasts 8 hours of gaming. It lasted 7.5 hours of very light use, while being described as a gaming laptop. Reading comprehension.
Brought mine at May 2016, was a terrible experience, first of all mine comes with 16 Gb ram and 2 SSD Samsung evo 850 - 512 gb and 256gb mme, all by the price of 1500euros. The machine was always fast, but running W10 was always problematic, made 3 clean installations of the SO W10, and every time it comes a new SO update something stopped to work. One day along 2017 brought a digital license from W7 64bits, and reinstalled everything, and since that day everything works. There is one thing that never changed >>> high temperatures, always high in anykind of game or heavy program (around 90º or more), using both the intel or nvidia graphic card so i think the problem comes out from those bad designed intel i7 (6th generations laptop CPU). By the end of 2017, i brought a i3 lenovo laptop for my daughter, i3 u-6 generation with 4 gb ram and a 1 terabyte hd and a mx 920 nvidia, for 400 euros and this year i need to change the hd (terrible issues, after 10's SO clean installations) for an 256 ssd kingston. So with lenovo im ready, i will never buy nothing else form that brand.
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watzupken - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
I am not sure if aluminium is a good material to have at the base of the laptop since its a good conductor of heat and can get quite hot at the bottom. Although its not likely anyone will put it on their lap when gaming, but still not a wise choice of material from my opinion.Also, I think it will be good to know if we can open the base of the laptop to service and to know what components can be upgraded.
willis936 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Someone better alert Apple and Dell that they're using the wrong material for the chassis of their top selling laptops.jabber - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
yeah as long as the heat is going into the chassis and not staying in the GPU, I'm fine with that.As intended...
ImSpartacus - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
Yep, it's one more way to get a modest bump in cooling. That's good in my book.milkod2001 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Yeah, aluminium is bad!They should have gone with plastic instead to keep laptop cool. What they were thinking! LOLATC9001 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
If a laptop has aluminum on the bottom, it would likely be cooler. This is because the heat would be dissipated quickly across the entire bottom of the laptop (huge surface area). Whereas plastic would insulate the heat and any localized hot spot would heat up at the specific point and be difficult to dissipate that heat.Samus - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Exactly, plastic is an insulator, creating hot spots. Which are bad for everybody and everything involved.The only debatably superior material for the bottom chassis would be magnesium, which has similar cooling performance to aluminum while being slightly lighter and stronger...and more expensive. This is, after all, a $900 machine with a fairly high end graphics card. Sure there are laptops in this price range with magnesium construction but they also lack a $200 dedicated graphics card.
I'm surprised Lenovo used aluminum at this price. The previous Y series were mostly plastic, with questionable long term GPU reliability.
Solandri - Monday, February 15, 2016 - link
Plastic or aluminum for the bottom is mostly irrelevant. The internal components aren't connected directly to the bottom. There's a thick layer of air in between, and air is a much better insulator than, well, just about anything except vacuum. Consequently, the vast majority of cooling comes from the fans venting the interior air outside. For any heat to dissipate through the bottom case material, it has to first transfer through the air, which is an almost negligible amount.All the base needs is sufficient ventilation holes so this airflow from the fans is unimpeded. That's actually why the Macbook Pro 15 has heating problems despite using a 37W TDP CPU (the lowest power quad core Intel makes). Apple refuses to put ventilation holes in the bottom.
If you *did* attach internal components directly to the bottom, then you would want it to be plastic. Aluminum or magnesium would conduct heat so readily it'd act like a big heatsink and become too hot to actually place on your lap. Plastic would insulate your lap from the heat, thus assuring most of the heat is dissipated out via the fans.
Souka - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Maybe you should read the article? Thermals were good."The results are excellent. The Y700 had no issues keeping up with the demand of the CPU and GPU, and GPU temperatures never even got over 65°C. The laptop itself was barely warm after this too, so Lenovo has packed in plenty of cooling to ensure that the system can maintain peak performance for as long as necessary."
The_AC - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
Yeah, insulators keep computers cold. This is why I put Styrofoam blocks on my CPUs, rather than crappy copper.milkod2001 - Monday, February 15, 2016 - link
My comment was meant to be sarcastic, of course aluminium is better than plastic for cooloingmilkod2001 - Monday, February 15, 2016 - link
CoolingStill no edit option. sigh
1990 has called and wants this comment system back :)
jahu78 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
You can open it by unscrewing I think 11 screws so the whole bottom part disattaches, After you unscrew you need to lift the lid up, and then press down the chassis at the front with your fingers hard. It is painful and tricky for the first time, and feels like you are about to crack something. Anyway there is a servicing guide floating the net I strongly advise to see it first and be patient. After you get the bottom part off you are welcome to add memory (unfortunately 8GB version has 2x4GB so you need to sell it and buy 2x8GB DDR4 for upgrade, add SSD in m.2 2280 format, replace the HDD if you want, etc. I also would point to servicing guide so you buy compatible SSD. BRcoolhardware - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
PS the Y700 14" model is very similar but packs everything into a smaller package, it is also fairly easy to upgrade:http://www.jdhodges.com/blog/lenovo-ideapad-y700-1...
the capability to utilize a m.2 SSD, 2.5" SSD and DDR4 memory in a sub $700 laptop (before upgrades) is a pretty nice setup IMHO/
Samus - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
So are you proposing they use plastic instead of aluminum? Seriously...SaolDan - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
How does a GTX 960m compares to a 7970m?Ryan Smith - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
The following overestimates the AMD GPU by about 10% or so, but otherwise it's the closest estimate I can give you: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1130?vs=103...frodesky - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Do Lenovo still enforce a whitelist on their gaming laptops? Because that's what's keeping me from even considering them as an option.neo_1221 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
I'd like to know this too. I was very annoyed to discover that my Y410P was locked to the included WiFi card by a whitelist - that was two years ago, I'm curious to see if they've stopped doing that.Samus - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
I believe they don't enforce a whitelist on ideapads, just thinkpads. I had no trouble upgrading a Y460's wireless card while a similar era T420 needed a Lenovo FRU.The later bioses seem to be trending toward removing white lists though. I hope HP starts to do the same its fuxking ridiculous to lock down a machine where it can't be upgraded (because generally they don't whitelist upgrade components...I ran into this on my old elitebook 2560 that had no compatibility with even HP sku LTE modems, it was never given anything better than a 3G HSPA Qualcomm card.
zepi - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
All gaming laptops have been terribly un-exciting for some time due to GPU-vendors being very stuck with 28nm process. Before they get to move on, there is very little any OEM can do to actually bring the market considerably forwards...Aouniat - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
The Dell Inspiron i7559 is in my view a better value for money compared to the Lenovo.godlyatheist - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
It has an even worse screen than the Lenovo, and this one is bad enough.Teknobug - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Maybe Lenovo should just stick to business laptops.coder111 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Ok, does Lenovo still ship laptops with spyware built into BIOS that even Windows reinstall cannot remove? The one which breaks HTTPS and leaks things like your on-line banking?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfish#Lenovo_sec...
Stay well away if that's still the case.
mrcaffeinex - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
After the incident, Lenovo released a utility and instructions to remove the unwanted software: https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/... As far as I know, it was never built into the BIOS, however it was built into the recovery image that shipped with the computers. Regardless, a clean installation of Windows from the official media (not what the manufacturer gives you) is always the best way to go, in my experience.neo_1221 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Given how fast Lenovo backtracked once they were caught, I doubt they're still shipping anything with Superfish. And like mrcaffeinex says, I don't think it was ever embedded in the BIOS - just the recovery image.dsraa - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Trollin hard are we??They already too care of that like a year ago, where have you been under a rock, still wearing your tinfoil hat????
rpjkw11 - Monday, February 15, 2016 - link
I'm still wearing a tinfoil hat I suppose. Anyway, there are many other laptops out there that are as good or better than Lenovo, so I refuse to buy from a company I distrust.stomu9 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Possible error:page 1 specification chart, CPU - i7-6600HQ is not an existing model, would this be i7-6700HQ (2.6-3.5 GHz)?
neo_1221 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Brett, you mention a couple times that the 960M can come equipped with either 2GB of 4GB of VRAM, but you never say how much your review model has.extide - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
I believe he mentions it is the 4GB one in some of the gaming results.neo_1221 - Tuesday, February 16, 2016 - link
You are correct, it's under the Dragon Age results - "even with the 4GB GTX 960M option, it pushes this card to its limits". Though it really should be listed in the spec table on the first page.jahu78 - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
Bought one, to my wife for christmas, managed to configure windows etc. left it running overnight...boom next day doesn't turn on, keyboard flashes red once and screen is blank....returned it. Got a brand new one after 3 weeks. Enjoyed it for 2 weeks, left it on the table lid opened overnight, boom another bites the dust. Doesn't turn on... So either I am extremely unlucky...or their is something going on with that HW. Now I'm waiting for the 3rd replacement. My specs i5 6300hq, 15'', 8GB DDR4. Also as stated in review bleeding from the screen is just awful. So be warned...Redstorm - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
I brougth one of these last year with a 1TB HDD, stuck a Samsung 950 Pro in it even though is not listed is being compatable. works fine. Boots native nvme and makes this laptop fly.Samus - Thursday, February 11, 2016 - link
It's a shame they got so much right in a well balanced package only to use what amounts to be a run of the mill $50 LCD panel. I'm sure the QHD screen is better (because even the cheaper AU optronics screens are relatively good) but the point is well taken the 960m isn't adequate for that gaming resolution. Even the 980m would struggle in QHD FPS's.I wonder if the non touch matte panel is better. I think a matte screen is more appropriate for a gaming laptop anyway.
Shadowmaster625 - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
That is way too much cpu for that gpu. The quad core i5 plus a 970M would seem a better combination for what should be roughly the same price.JusSn - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
Au contraire, streaming with an 8 thread i7 is much smoother than with an i5. I get CPU encode bottlenecks on my 4690K/980 Ti when streaming 1080p/60 but this machine has no problems with it.I used to agree with you too but now I have to be able to stream at LANs. The games I run are low-spec but it's the streaming itself that most laptops can't handle, so this combination is perfect for my use case.
jjunos - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
Any chance you guys could snag one of the new P50/P70's? Would love to see if the xeon mobile cpus are worth their weight!!vision33r - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
I have the Y50 which is a 15.6" version and it's a good gaming laptop for work and play. The only issue I have is the touchpad is very tricky and not big enough.JusSn - Friday, February 12, 2016 - link
Really impressed with this laptop, got the 1 TB/8GB RAM model and put in an m.2 mSATA for less than $980 total. Other than the screen (which is indeed horrible and has terrible PWM flickering at lower brightness), the only thing that bothers me is that the trackpad is slightly uneven. Does the review unit also have this problem? Can't really tell from the photos.On my unit the upper-left corner is millimetrically higher than the surrounding wrist rest area. It's nitpicking but I'm wondering if I should get it exchanged once I get back to living with my desktop.
Timings - Tuesday, February 16, 2016 - link
I was also disappointed the day I got this Y700 with just 1TB 5400 rpm drive. It was damn slow when booting as if it has Intel Celeron inside. I replaced the HDD with a Kingston hyper x SSD and then I liked it. Out of the box, the display is really horrible as you have said it. I peeled off the plastic on the screen the same day, still it did not impress me much. But here is a solution which you can do since you have already spent your money for it: calibrate it. 1. Go to Control panel then Intel HD graphics, then Display. Select colour settings then select Basic. Reduce brightness from 0 to -20. Leave gamma and contrast as default. Click Apply. Then select Advance. Increase hue from 0 to 16, increase saturation from 0 to 57. Click Apply and close Intel HD graphics. 2. While still on control panel window, select Display then select Calibrate colour. Click next next next until you reach Adjust colour balance. Move the Red and Green sliders from 100% to somewhere around 85% by eye. Leave the Blue slider at 100% (default) and click Next then Finish. If you thought of selling that laptop, you will now think twice after doing these settings.Michael Bay - Saturday, February 13, 2016 - link
Whatever OEM first makes a gaming laptop that doesn`t look any different from your run-of-the-mill machine will get incredible money.Those things aren`t just ugly, they scream loser.
GeorgeH - Saturday, February 13, 2016 - link
"It does include a number pad, but it is compressed into the rest of the keyboard when there is plenty of space on the laptop deck to stretch it out a bit."I very much doubt that. If they did stretch it out there'd be no room for the ports on the side unless they made the laptop thicker.
ET - Sunday, February 14, 2016 - link
I have a Y70-70, and I'm quite disappointed with it. Biggest problem is the laptop shutting down during gaming, probably due to overheating. The touch screen also acts occasionally, making the laptop non-responsive until I put it to sleep and out (with the power button). Keyboard isn't that great. In short, I'm weary of Lenovo's offerings right now.medi03 - Sunday, February 14, 2016 - link
Meh for no Carrize 380M... =(horrorwood - Tuesday, February 16, 2016 - link
It literally looks the same as the y50-70?Considering the GPU is the same and it comes with haswell instead of skylake (not much difference), I think the clearance prices on the y50-70 are a steal.
evolucion8 - Thursday, February 18, 2016 - link
Seeing how close the GTX 960M with its 640 cores can get when compared with the GTX 870M with its 1344 cores shows how nVidia stopped optimizing for Kepler and considering that Maxwell is essentially a distilled Kepler, it will face the same fate once Pascal is launched, the fast aging syndrome.deeps6x - Friday, February 19, 2016 - link
Why is it so much heavier than the MSI GS60 with the same specs? 2.7kg vs 2.0kg. Or if you prefer, 5.7 lbs vs 4.4 lbs.Billybadass - Monday, July 4, 2016 - link
This is the dumbest article I've ever read in my entire life and this guy has no idea what he's talking about.The Lenovo y700 (every model) comes with a battery that lasts UP TO 5 hours (http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/y700-... but that lasts only 4 hrs 16 mins upon continuous web surfing (http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/laptops/lenovo-y7... so there is NO WAY IN HELL this guy found it to last for EIGHT hours of continuous gaming.
Not to mention since I just bought mine and have been using it for light customization and light web surfing the battery has lasted me at, yep... just above 4 hours. Can you IMAGINE if I had been gaming?
Ignore this article.
tipoo - Monday, November 14, 2016 - link
Nowhere does it say it lasts 8 hours of gaming. It lasted 7.5 hours of very light use, while being described as a gaming laptop. Reading comprehension.strik - Saturday, July 27, 2019 - link
Brought mine at May 2016, was a terrible experience, first of all mine comes with 16 Gb ram and 2 SSD Samsung evo 850 - 512 gb and 256gb mme, all by the price of 1500euros.The machine was always fast, but running W10 was always problematic, made 3 clean installations of the SO W10, and every time it comes a new SO update something stopped to work.
One day along 2017 brought a digital license from W7 64bits, and reinstalled everything, and since that day everything works.
There is one thing that never changed >>> high temperatures, always high in anykind of game or heavy program (around 90º or more), using both the intel or nvidia graphic card so i think the problem comes out from those bad designed intel i7 (6th generations laptop CPU).
By the end of 2017, i brought a i3 lenovo laptop for my daughter, i3 u-6 generation with 4 gb ram and a 1 terabyte hd and a mx 920 nvidia, for 400 euros and this year i need to change the hd (terrible issues, after 10's SO clean installations) for an 256 ssd kingston. So with lenovo im ready, i will never buy nothing else form that brand.