Vega and the "number" is the shader clusters to my understanding, not exactly sure if these is a specific flat number that a vega 8 is X slower in a % fashion, takes much benchmarks to see this, and the "mobile" ones that have an upper TDP limited by the laptop or especially the "package" that is the cpu and gpu sharing X power, there will be some heat/throttle/power issues, so it makes it even more difficult IMO to say FOR SURE that Vega 8 is X % slower than Vega 10 .
Laptop especially are extra "constrained" by the maker feeding it proper system memory, enough power and VERY MUCH proper cooling, something most laptop makers these days not seem to care much about.
Stuff it in as thin a chassis as possible, use the least amount of ram possible, slap on a fancy display, put the price as high as they feel is reasonable, they dont care if it bottlenecks or has overheat issues :D
Anyways, the shader cluster for Vega is 64 so vega 8 is 512/8=64 Vega 10 640/10=64, Vega 56 is 3584/56=64, Vega 64 is 4096/64=64 ^.^ again, in a perfect world, put on a desktop with enough power/cooling etc, maybe you can reverse engineer that Vega 64 is X performance or X % faster than the "slowest" member which "should be" Vega 8 (by the amount of shaders) but, there is just way to many factors to do this, even something as "simple" as tuning the voltages can through these numbers out the door.
YMMV, but, when they (Vega mobile/Ryzen APU) currently are what 7w minimum to 35w maximum, it does not give a bunch of power/TDP headroom to run the cpu/gpu portions at their very best. anyways :D
Normally 8GB is sufficient, but depends from each person's usage. Also you will need to factor in that the Vega integrated graphics shares 2GB of it from the 8GB pool, so leaving you with less when it comes to gaming.
Anybody in the market for a $750 Acer will be perfectly happy with 8GB, likely for the lifetime of the machine. And hopefully it is a single stick as others seem to fear, because that means a simple upgrade to 16GB and dual channel for $50.
Looks like a very compelling choice for the average user who wants some decent compute and Gpu power without spending a fortune. Love that these are SSD only.
Depends. There's a lot of settings you can tweak to save RAM. Since you're talking about a low-power APU, a lot of times you have to adjust settings anyway for performance reasons. I don't think 8GB of RAM is TOO terrible at 1080p (or less) with textures scaled back a notch or two. With that being said yeah 16GB would be nice. You can configure an x360 to have 16GB of RAM... I suspect Acer or someone else will offer similar configs in the near future.
I'm curious to see what kind of RAM they use. Is Acer using 2133 as rumored or 2400?
'Ever Going' ? There's only been two mobile devices with APUs so far, and they'll be the target. It's only been announced for a short while anyway. There's a large amount of 2018 up ahead.
RR for desktop was not in the roadmap presented a few weeks ago. The roadmap ended with Q2 2018. I'm guessing we'll see the APUs in Q3 (July?) as we seen previous releases.
Seems reasonable. It is rather smart of AMD to not focus there first since Intel already owns the desktop APU segment since pretty much every desktop CPU they make is an APU. In their shoes I would drag my feet until they have chips on 12nm or possibly even 7nm.
The links to the laptops is from the US and yet you mentioned the pricing is from Taiwan. $750 USD does not equal to $750 NTD. $750 Taiwan dollars is just $25 USD.
So what would scare me is driver support...Nvidia's drivers are better period, but then for mobile it's not even close. I woudln't trust it because of that.
The hardware though sounds pretty great. 4 of those new cores + a decent Vega GPU ain't no slouch. (Although of course I'd like 4-8 cores + a huge GPU in a notebook :-D )
Typical NVIDIA Troll. Criticizes AMD using old argument, puts on knee pads and sucks off NVIDIA, justifies with BS reason, then states that the HW isn't even what he is looking for. LOL
I still feel the price is higher than expected considering one can find a Swift 3 with an i5 8250U, 8GB ram, 256GB storage and MX150 for as low as 660 at Newegg now. Sure the screen size is different, i.e. 14 vs 15.6 inch, but performance favors the i5 version with dedicated graphics which is both faster and does not compete for the limited ram with the CPU.
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Sttm - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Are the Vega number properly indicative of performance? Is Vega 10 25% faster than Vega 8, and is Vega 64, 8 times faster?T1beriu - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Not really, no. The number represents the amount of compute units present.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Vega and the "number" is the shader clusters to my understanding, not exactly sure if these is a specific flat number that a vega 8 is X slower in a % fashion, takes much benchmarks to see this, and the "mobile" ones that have an upper TDP limited by the laptop or especially the "package" that is the cpu and gpu sharing X power, there will be some heat/throttle/power issues, so it makes it even more difficult IMO to say FOR SURE that Vega 8 is X % slower than Vega 10 .Laptop especially are extra "constrained" by the maker feeding it proper system memory, enough power and VERY MUCH proper cooling, something most laptop makers these days not seem to care much about.
Stuff it in as thin a chassis as possible, use the least amount of ram possible, slap on a fancy display, put the price as high as they feel is reasonable, they dont care if it bottlenecks or has overheat issues :D
Anyways, the shader cluster for Vega is 64
so vega 8 is 512/8=64 Vega 10 640/10=64, Vega 56 is 3584/56=64, Vega 64 is 4096/64=64
^.^
again, in a perfect world, put on a desktop with enough power/cooling etc, maybe you can reverse engineer that Vega 64 is X performance or X % faster than the "slowest" member which "should be" Vega 8 (by the amount of shaders) but, there is just way to many factors to do this, even something as "simple" as tuning the voltages can through these numbers out the door.
YMMV, but, when they (Vega mobile/Ryzen APU) currently are what 7w minimum to 35w maximum, it does not give a bunch of power/TDP headroom to run the cpu/gpu portions at their very best. anyways :D
olde94 - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
8gb ram. AGAIN? o.O!MrSpadge - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
8 GB is perfectly fine for most, especially given the current DRAM prices, and especially if 16 GB was offered as well.entity279 - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Except that it is likely it's a single stick. rip performanceTechnicallyLogic - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Nope, Dual Channel.TechnicallyLogic - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11964/amd_ryzen_...watzupken - Friday, December 22, 2017 - link
Normally 8GB is sufficient, but depends from each person's usage. Also you will need to factor in that the Vega integrated graphics shares 2GB of it from the 8GB pool, so leaving you with less when it comes to gaming.Alistair - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Ram is too expensive right now. Hope we see 16gb notebooks end of next year.Samus - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Anybody in the market for a $750 Acer will be perfectly happy with 8GB, likely for the lifetime of the machine. And hopefully it is a single stick as others seem to fear, because that means a simple upgrade to 16GB and dual channel for $50.WorldWithoutMadness - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Pick your poison, big ssd or ram.. both are mostly made by those oligopoly price fixer manufacturers.Rocket321 - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Looks like a very compelling choice for the average user who wants some decent compute and Gpu power without spending a fortune. Love that these are SSD only.DanNeely - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
8 gb of ram's going to be rather limiting though for anyone running the sort of software that makes the GPU spread its wings.Alexvrb - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Depends. There's a lot of settings you can tweak to save RAM. Since you're talking about a low-power APU, a lot of times you have to adjust settings anyway for performance reasons. I don't think 8GB of RAM is TOO terrible at 1080p (or less) with textures scaled back a notch or two. With that being said yeah 16GB would be nice. You can configure an x360 to have 16GB of RAM... I suspect Acer or someone else will offer similar configs in the near future.I'm curious to see what kind of RAM they use. Is Acer using 2133 as rumored or 2400?
quorm - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
Are they ever going to release Ryzen APUs for desktops?Ian Cutress - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
'Ever Going' ? There's only been two mobile devices with APUs so far, and they'll be the target. It's only been announced for a short while anyway. There's a large amount of 2018 up ahead.haukionkannel - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Maybe thesehttps://informaticacero.com/se-viene-amd-ryzen-3-2...
T1beriu - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
RR for desktop was not in the roadmap presented a few weeks ago. The roadmap ended with Q2 2018. I'm guessing we'll see the APUs in Q3 (July?) as we seen previous releases.FreckledTrout - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Seems reasonable. It is rather smart of AMD to not focus there first since Intel already owns the desktop APU segment since pretty much every desktop CPU they make is an APU. In their shoes I would drag my feet until they have chips on 12nm or possibly even 7nm.Etern205 - Tuesday, December 19, 2017 - link
The links to the laptops is from the US and yet you mentioned the pricing is from Taiwan. $750 USD does not equal to $750 NTD. $750 Taiwan dollars is just $25 USD.piroroadkill - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Integrated graphics with a single stick of RAM, probably the slowest possible = fail.supdawgwtfd - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
Dual channel...https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11964/amd_ryzen_...
extide - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
When are you going to review a laptop with one of these APU's? People are dying to see some numbers from one of these laptops from a reputable site!The_Assimilator - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Yes! I really want to know how good or bad Vega is in APU form, and whether it makes sense over discrete graphics chips.Manch - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Couple places have test the vega 8 and it doesn't quite compete with an mx150Rookierookie - Thursday, December 21, 2017 - link
Roughly halfway between the UHD 620 and the MX150.Manch - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Hope these aren't as crappy as the HP Envy version. HP really crippled it with cheap parts which is a shame.TechnicallyLogic - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
Priced right in between the i5-8250U acer swift 3 ($700) and the i5-8250U + MX150 Acer Swift 3 ($800).https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/NX.GSH...
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/NX.GSJ...
Wolfpup - Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - link
So what would scare me is driver support...Nvidia's drivers are better period, but then for mobile it's not even close. I woudln't trust it because of that.The hardware though sounds pretty great. 4 of those new cores + a decent Vega GPU ain't no slouch. (Although of course I'd like 4-8 cores + a huge GPU in a notebook :-D )
kyuu - Thursday, December 21, 2017 - link
Oh please. It's not 2010 anymore, you can quit with the FUD about AMD having driver issues.Manch - Thursday, December 21, 2017 - link
Typical NVIDIA Troll. Criticizes AMD using old argument, puts on knee pads and sucks off NVIDIA, justifies with BS reason, then states that the HW isn't even what he is looking for. LOLwatzupken - Friday, December 22, 2017 - link
I still feel the price is higher than expected considering one can find a Swift 3 with an i5 8250U, 8GB ram, 256GB storage and MX150 for as low as 660 at Newegg now. Sure the screen size is different, i.e. 14 vs 15.6 inch, but performance favors the i5 version with dedicated graphics which is both faster and does not compete for the limited ram with the CPU.