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  • imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Wow, i had no idea how cheap SSD have come. You know, its getting to price points soon that home servers would easily use SSD drives vs mechanical.
  • bill.rookard - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    If a 4TB drive becomes somewhat more affordable, then yes, they can. I guess it depends on how big of a server array you have. Personally, I have about 30TB in a 2U server using 4x4tb ZFS + 4x3tb ZFS for 20TB effective. Even a bargain basement setup for a similar size using the cheapest Micron 1100's 2TB SSDs you could find - you'd need 11 of them @ $280 each.

    Or - just a stitch over $3000.00. Meanwhile, the drives I used were factory refurbed enterprise drives and all 8 of them cost around $500.00
  • nathanddrews - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    I'm definitely waiting for larger SSDs to come down. I think if we ever get to $100/TB, I'll start to swap out more drives. 2TB for $199 would be great.

    I only recently started to experiment with "hybrid" storage on my home server. I've got about 40TB of rust with about 800GB of SSDs (older SSDs that didn't have a home anymore), using software to manage what folders/files are stored/backed up on which drives. UHD Blu-ray and other disc backups on the slow hard drives (still fast enough to saturate 1GbE) and documents/photos, etc. on the SSD array. My server doesn't have anything faster than SATA6Gbps, but the SSDs are still much quicker for smaller files/random access.
  • Lolimaster - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    I would upgrade to cheap 2.5-5Gbit NIC
  • nathanddrews - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    I've already got a couple 10GbE NICs, just waiting on an affordable switch...
  • leexgx - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    use a PC :) youtube video of a person doing it do need to make sure you have the right mobo so it can handle 10gb speeds between PCI-E 10GB cards or you be getting low speeds between cards (still far cheaper than a actual 10gb switch)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p39mFz7ORco
  • Valantar - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    You're recommending running a PC 24/7 as a switch to provide >GbE speeds from a NAS? Really?
  • nathanddrews - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    LOL that's a good joke! I mean, it's creative, but there's no way I'm doing that. I can wait a little longer to get a proper switch(es).
  • rrinker - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    I'm at the point of contemplating a new server for home, and hybrid was the way I was going to go, since 16TB or so of all SSD is just too expensive still. But 1-2TB of SSD as fast cache for a bunch of 4TB spinny drives would be relatively inexpensive and offer most of the benefits. And SSD for the OS drive of course.
  • DominionSeraph - Monday, October 22, 2018 - link

    Yup, I picked up 24TB for $240. SSDs really can't compete.
  • hugo.sousa - Wednesday, October 24, 2018 - link

    Hi Bill,
    Where did you bought those refurbished drives?
  • goatfajitas - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Yup, its easy enough to do it now on the cheap. A 1tb PCIe SSD for $235 (and a great performing one at that) for your data you access often and larger slower HDD's for less used data/backups etc.
  • wumpus - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    HDDs are running $20/TB (Hitachi 3TB comes up cheapest on pcpartpicker), and even larger drives can be had cheap if you are willing to buy external drives on sale and "shuck" them.

    The real catch is that 90% of the people use about 100GB or so data, so sales of HDDs are pretty flat. So they stopped getting cheaper around 2011 and pretty much sat around waiting to be replaced by SDDs.

    Prices are finally lower than 2011, but I really have to wonder if Moore's law has enough juice to get SDDs down to the level they need to kill off HDDs (in case you are wondering, tape is still alive and kicking. And makes all sorts of sense for storing data >100TB. I wonder if HDDs will go the same way "just for datahoarders".)
  • stargazera5 - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    @wumpus: "(in case you are wondering, tape is still alive and kicking. And makes all sorts of sense for storing data >100TB"

    Maybe tape looks good for >100TB, but there are a lot of us home power users who have 10-100 TB that could use a good WORM solution for backup. The cost of tape drives are quite high and drove TCO far too high to make good sense compared to buying additional HDDs a couple times a year, which isn't that cheap either and has far too low a frequency.

    I also looked into online backup (e.g. Blackblaze, Carbonite, etc.) until I realized it would take 6 months to send them my base-line backup via my internet pipe (10 Mbps up)

    No real good solutions here, but probably a pretty good market.
  • vanilla_gorilla - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Some of those services offer disk based import/export options: https://aws.amazon.com/snowball/disk/details/
  • Lolimaster - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Crucial MX500 go to as low as 0.165 per GB.
  • leexgx - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    ""All capacities have a rated write endurance of around 0.9-1.0 drive writes per day and a five year warranty period, which are standard for high-end consumer SSDs""

    i thought 1.0 DWP was only for enterprise levels (most ssds have DWP of around 0.3)
  • Diji1 - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    >You know, its getting to price points soon that home servers would easily use SSD drives vs mechanical.

    Er ... is it?
  • Diji1 - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    Although there is no excuse for using spinning disks for the OS disk IMO.
  • PaoDeTech - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Please review Crucial P1 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD. I'm willing to pay $20 premium over SATA but not more. If the P1 1TB goes on black Friday sale for $179.99 I'll pull the trigger (MX500 1TB SATA is currently $159.99).
    Does anybody know what's the BOM cost difference between SATA and PCIe?
  • leexgx - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    be nice if they do a renew on it as from unreliable source that did a review (toms hard) seems to find the P1 is only a little faster then a MX500 (yes the P1 its a NVME ssd but that's only good for sequential test it seems)
  • yoyomah20 - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    I've been waiting for this review to come out. I'm excited about what corsair has put out, seems like its a pretty good competetor to 970 EVO and WD Black at a cheaper price point. I've been waiting for a power efficient nvme drive to replace my laptop's stock 128GB sata m.2 drive and I think that this is the one! Too bad it's not available anywhere yet...
  • G3TG0T - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Somehow the price SHOT up by double...
  • G3TG0T - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Who would buy that for double the price when you could get an EVO 970??!
  • lilmoe - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Damn Amazon and their sketchy crap. Go to newegg, the price is slightly up 10% though.
  • Lolimaster - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    The other thing is using Office 365 Home, 6TB for $99 a year.
  • shabby - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Would be nice if all sizes were tested and not just the fastest, you guys should tell oems to send your all the sizes to test.
  • leexgx - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    i could imagine that would take some time to test them, as i would guess Billy/reviewer runs the tests at least 2-3 times to make sure the results are consistent (not looked at the article yet but i guess it was the 1TB one they reviewed)
  • WatcherCK - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link

    Do OSS NAS solutions (OMV/FreeNAS/Ubuntu+ZOL...) support fast/slow storage tiers transparently? I guess this would look like monolithic storage with the OS caching higher use files behind the scenes... hmmm, how hard would it be to have a hybrid drive that makes use of TLC/QLC (not in a fast caching scenario but say 512GB of TLC and 4/6/8TB QLC in one enclosure and a controller that can present both storage arrays transperently to the OS, an SSD only version of a fusion drive for example.)

    And agree with other posters about capacity, once 96 layer becomes ubiquitous then SSDs should be able to reach parity with mechanical HDD in terms of density and price as far as non enterprise users are concerned...
  • Wolfclaw - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    Not fussed about top end speed, just cheap mass storage in raid or Microsoft Storage, that wipes the floor with HDD's and can satuate a SATA3 interface is more than enough for me.
  • ATC9001 - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    Not bad...competition is good to drive prices down, but if I were in the market for an nvme drive I'd take the HP EX920 1TB for 199!
  • euler007 - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    I'm really liking these prices. If RAM comes down in price a new PC is in my future.
  • enzotiger - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    Please check your numbers. Random read IOPS of 610K is not only by far the highest IOPS among M.2, it actually beats Optane 905P. Highly suspicious.
  • Billy Tallis - Monday, October 22, 2018 - link

    The 610k IOPS for random reads is the advertised specifications from Corsair, not my own measurements. I don't test consumer drives at queue depths high enough to determine whether it can actually hit 610k IOPS, because that doesn't come close to representing any real consumer workload.
  • Hxx - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link

    those prices are wrong right? I see the 480 gb model for 240+ at amazon unless amazon is price gouging.
  • eek2121 - Saturday, October 20, 2018 - link

    All the big retailers have algorithms to automatically shift pricing based on supply vs demand. Anandtech lists the MSRPs, but if everyone rushes out to buy the drive at once, Amazon, Newegg, etc. want to make as much money as possible while still balancing supply vs demand, so the price automatically shifts up. I'm surprised people haven't figured this out yet. That's why you wait for demand to drop before buying a product.
  • ballsystemlord - Sunday, October 21, 2018 - link

    Tallis, where are the 4k sequential read and write tests? I have a use case for them!
  • Billy Tallis - Monday, October 22, 2018 - link

    I doubt it. Whatever OS and filesystem you are using is likely to have a prefetch mechanism that make your small block sequential reads into mostly large block reads, and write caching that will batch up small block sequential writes. If you're trying to bypass the write cache for small block writes, then you probably need to be shopping for an enterprise SSD.
  • ballsystemlord - Monday, October 22, 2018 - link

    Ok. Thanks!
  • Violet Giraffe - Tuesday, November 13, 2018 - link

    I'm keen to think a lot of real-life use cases are bound on small block reading speed. E. g. databases.
  • gunnys - Monday, October 22, 2018 - link

    I've been looking to upgrade the drive in my laptop for a while now, and will end up going with this over the 970 Evo. IMO, Samsung needs more serious competitors.

    It also helps that my experience with Corsair SSDs was back in the days of the Neutron GTX. It was a great drive back in the day.
  • fadsarmy - Thursday, September 15, 2022 - link

    My 240GB MP510 has 15TB out of 400TB written so that leaves 96.25% health remaining. Corsair toolbox and Crystal Disk Info both report 87% health remaining. This equates to about 110TB endurance, way off the 400TB claimed by Corsair. Is there any logical explanation for this?

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