Yeah, there's a market for them. But a small part of that market ( is it really just me? ) would like to see a decent keyboard. At least on-par with the one on Lenovo T series. I basically use these as a portable vt220 for logging into the machines where the action happens. So if my primary input method is no good, then I can't even begin to care about the rest.
While I haven't personally tried this particular keyboard, I've tried enough of the really shallow key travel variants to know that they suck at providing the kind of feedback to let my fingers know that they've done their job correctly. So, perhaps there's still time before the launch to rethink this - if not, oh well ;/
Its just not meant to be a primary machine for someone creating content or lots of typing. You get used to it, there is no doubt about that, but there are plenty of Lenovo machines under 1.5KG that have great keyboards if you type alot...
What is the weight, dimensions, and battery life (supposed but also the watt hour of the battery.)
The qualcomm version of the Galaxy Book S made an impression on people I follow on twitter for it was as light as the discontinued 12" macbook, but with a 16% bigger screen, and it was not using the horrible apple keyboard. Supposedly per Samsung this device was getting 20+ hours of battery on the qualcomm hardware.
I am very interested to purchase a fanless laptop because I dislike the noise of the fan that could kick in when watching video for example : fan noise is a bad experience. Also I like it to get a very high battery autonomy.
However, it is difficult to find fanless laptop, with reasonable enough performance (Macbook Air performance) able to playback 4K video, thin, ligthweight with a sleek design. On top of that, I like the idea of an integrated 4G LTE modem to able to access internet anywhere.
That is one of the reason, I was keeping an eye to the launch of the Samsung Galaxy Book S with Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx and I am awaiting test reviews of this device...
But if Samsung also intend to launch a fanless Galaxy Book S with an Intel Lakefield processor, and 4G LTE, it will be interesting to see how it compare in terms of performance (my guess would be better on CPU, but lower on modem).
The very big advantage is that it will have full x86 compatibility, and so it is a very big dent compare to the Qualcomm 8cx model...
4K on retarded low power processor, and complaining about "fan noise" when watching a movie which will be either with loudspeaker or headphones, where fan noise will have no effect. something tells me you're just trolling.
Indeed. I would likely mostly watch 1080p video on the laptop itself, but I would prefer a laptop that could decode 4K video to be able to occasionally watch 4K video on a TV or on the laptop itself as more and more 4K video content will become available in tje coming years (it is a bit a future proofing for the next 5 years).
Have you thought about getting Surface Pro? At least the Surface Pro 6's i5 models are fanless and there should also be a 4G model available. And they are quite powerful too.
@Mikad: Thanks for the advice :). Yes indeed, I considered a Microsoft Surface Pro, but I think only the Surface Pro 5 had a fanless version with a LTE option.
Also I would much prefer the Surface Pro 7 because it has a USB-C port, which is practical to recharge the device with a USB-C power adapter that could also be used to recharge an Android smartphone when traveling.
Unfortunately, I doubt that Microsoft will launch a LTE version of the Surface Pro 7, and will likely reserve LTE capabilities to the Surface Pro X.
Also even I like 2-in-1 like Surface Pro, I think I prefer laptop with touchscreen, and from there I would prefer a fanless Microsoft Surface laptop 3 with integrated LTE connectivity, but it doesn’t exist either...
Moving the IO Die to a separate chip is is completely different than using 2 different x86 cores and foveros chip stacking is a very as well. AMD isn't using high power and low power cores on the same processor.
I was referring to the use of 2 different process technology by Intel, like AMD has used in Rome and chiplet, to the extent done by AMD. i did mention ARM initially referring to big.Little. If this is the right way to do things then yeah good for us, Intel will also give even better products. Just that it's funny when others do some sort of implementation, it's ridiculed to be glued or Intel is different and that's the only way. Foveros is probably better and I am not denying that.
Oh, I'm definitely not trying to say Intel's foveros is better although ot may be, we simply don't know yet. That being said, I thought it was a really smart move on the part of AMD to use chiplets.
And AMD is dependent on TSMC on this though. Will be interesting to see their packaging advancements although Intel if it gets its 7nm right, would be the one to watch, based on how good it was, before 10nm.
Fantastic I/O options there right ?, thin as a wafer. Battery sealed inside so that you will buy the service and dump your machine to them once 2 years have passed or the as usual retarded culture of throwing it and buying a new soldered trash again.
Kudos to Apple to achieve the market destruction from powerful notebook/laptop machines to thin and light fancy BS of form over function.
Typing this from a Haswell rPGA socket machine which was shipped with a Kepler now running Maxwell to Pascal soon. Yeah GPU upgrades with MXM (Dead now, since 10 series MXM was mutilated by last supporters - Clevo/Sager and MSI and Dell kicked the bucket with their own proprietary DGFF BS while HP use the one which dont have BIOS chips on the PCB making them useless on any MXM machine with standard form factor.
I don't know what you people do to your phones and laptops that the batteries are shot and won;t hold a charge after 2 years or less. I just recently finally upgraded from my iPhone 5S, which I got a few months after release (after the initial clamor of the "gotta have it on day 1" died off so I could walk in a store and walk out with a phone instead of being told they were out of stock and waiting for more), as it had FINALLY started not holding a charge as long as it originally did - over 5 years old. I've had previous one for a long time as well, and none of them were having battery issues at the time they got replaced, the 5S is the longest I held on to one, but prior to that I was always skipping a model or two. The only laptop I have is my work one, which is a couple of years old now, an HP, the battery still lasts as long as it did when I first got it, even though I run it plugged in 99% of the time. This is not an ultra-thin machine though, the bottom comes off and the battery can be replaced, it's not soldered or glued on. Neither is the RAM or the M.2 SSD. It's not a giant brick though, either.
Trickly charge vs fast charge vs QuickCharge. Run battery to 0%, charge to 100%, repeat daily. Stick it in a case that doesn't transfer heat very well.
If you baby the battery (trickly charge only, never below 20%, never about 80%, never overheat, etc), you can make it last for years and years and years.
Beat the crap out of the battery on a daily basis, and you'll be lucky to get 2 years out of it. My Galaxy S7 is on it's third battery now, just shy of the 4th year of ownership. But I'm hard on the battery. :D I like to actually use my phone for more than texting. :D
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igavus - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
Yeah, there's a market for them. But a small part of that market ( is it really just me? ) would like to see a decent keyboard. At least on-par with the one on Lenovo T series. I basically use these as a portable vt220 for logging into the machines where the action happens. So if my primary input method is no good, then I can't even begin to care about the rest.While I haven't personally tried this particular keyboard, I've tried enough of the really shallow key travel variants to know that they suck at providing the kind of feedback to let my fingers know that they've done their job correctly. So, perhaps there's still time before the launch to rethink this - if not, oh well ;/
danielfranklin - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
Its just not meant to be a primary machine for someone creating content or lots of typing.You get used to it, there is no doubt about that, but there are plenty of Lenovo machines under 1.5KG that have great keyboards if you type alot...
Roland00Address - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
What is the weight, dimensions, and battery life (supposed but also the watt hour of the battery.)The qualcomm version of the Galaxy Book S made an impression on people I follow on twitter for it was as light as the discontinued 12" macbook, but with a 16% bigger screen, and it was not using the horrible apple keyboard. Supposedly per Samsung this device was getting 20+ hours of battery on the qualcomm hardware.
HStewart - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
Does anybody actually used does QUALCOMM windows based machine. One thing I don't understand is that processor should be used on Chrome books.But it will be interesting to see the performance on this notebook, yes it has new Atom cores but has a new Sonny Core base CPU.
Arnulf - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
This netbook with slightly less bad Atom better be priced accordingly. I have a nasty feeling it will end up in the $1000 territory though :-(Jorgp2 - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
Lol, have you actually used an Atom?lmcd - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
Most of Atom's problems are the TDPs they're shoved in. A 15W Atom would be a sufficiently good experience (even if that's not their purpose).Diogene7 - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
I am very interested to purchase a fanless laptop because I dislike the noise of the fan that could kick in when watching video for example : fan noise is a bad experience. Also I like it to get a very high battery autonomy.However, it is difficult to find fanless laptop, with reasonable enough performance (Macbook Air performance) able to playback 4K video, thin, ligthweight with a sleek design. On top of that, I like the idea of an integrated 4G LTE modem to able to access internet anywhere.
That is one of the reason, I was keeping an eye to the launch of the Samsung Galaxy Book S with Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx and I am awaiting test reviews of this device...
But if Samsung also intend to launch a fanless Galaxy Book S with an Intel Lakefield processor, and 4G LTE, it will be interesting to see how it compare in terms of performance (my guess would be better on CPU, but lower on modem).
The very big advantage is that it will have full x86 compatibility, and so it is a very big dent compare to the Qualcomm 8cx model...
timecop1818 - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
4K on retarded low power processor, and complaining about "fan noise" when watching a movie which will be either with loudspeaker or headphones, where fan noise will have no effect. something tells me you're just trolling.29a - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
Or he could be connecting the laptop to a TV in his living room like I do.Diogene7 - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
Indeed. I would likely mostly watch 1080p video on the laptop itself, but I would prefer a laptop that could decode 4K video to be able to occasionally watch 4K video on a TV or on the laptop itself as more and more 4K video content will become available in tje coming years (it is a bit a future proofing for the next 5 years).Jorgp2 - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
Lol.He's not the troll here
Mikad - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
Have you thought about getting Surface Pro? At least the Surface Pro 6's i5 models are fanless and there should also be a 4G model available. And they are quite powerful too.Diogene7 - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
@Mikad: Thanks for the advice :). Yes indeed, I considered a Microsoft Surface Pro, but I think only the Surface Pro 5 had a fanless version with a LTE option.Also I would much prefer the Surface Pro 7 because it has a USB-C port, which is practical to recharge the device with a USB-C power adapter that could also be used to recharge an Android smartphone when traveling.
Unfortunately, I doubt that Microsoft will launch a LTE version of the Surface Pro 7, and will likely reserve LTE capabilities to the Surface Pro X.
Also even I like 2-in-1 like Surface Pro, I think I prefer laptop with touchscreen, and from there I would prefer a fanless Microsoft Surface laptop 3 with integrated LTE connectivity, but it doesn’t exist either...
Teckk - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
So Intel is going big.Little and chiplet. Should be interesting to see how people will defend that when they booed AMD and ARMJorgp2 - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
But AMD hasn't done it.And I've been booed for suggesting it in the AMD subreddit.
Teckk - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
AMD's EPYC Rome is Chiplet design. Yeah they don't have it in a mobile SKU yet howeverHardware Geek - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
Moving the IO Die to a separate chip is is completely different than using 2 different x86 cores and foveros chip stacking is a very as well. AMD isn't using high power and low power cores on the same processor.Hardware Geek - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
That's supposed to be foveros chip stacking is very differentTeckk - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
I was referring to the use of 2 different process technology by Intel, like AMD has used in Rome and chiplet, to the extent done by AMD. i did mention ARM initially referring to big.Little.If this is the right way to do things then yeah good for us, Intel will also give even better products. Just that it's funny when others do some sort of implementation, it's ridiculed to be glued or Intel is different and that's the only way. Foveros is probably better and I am not denying that.
Hardware Geek - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
Oh, I'm definitely not trying to say Intel's foveros is better although ot may be, we simply don't know yet. That being said, I thought it was a really smart move on the part of AMD to use chiplets.Teckk - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
And AMD is dependent on TSMC on this though. Will be interesting to see their packaging advancements although Intel if it gets its 7nm right, would be the one to watch, based on how good it was, before 10nm.Hardware Geek - Saturday, November 2, 2019 - link
That's definitely a valid concern! The demand for 7nm has been far higher than TSMC anticipated.Quantumz0d - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
Fantastic I/O options there right ?, thin as a wafer. Battery sealed inside so that you will buy the service and dump your machine to them once 2 years have passed or the as usual retarded culture of throwing it and buying a new soldered trash again.Kudos to Apple to achieve the market destruction from powerful notebook/laptop machines to thin and light fancy BS of form over function.
Typing this from a Haswell rPGA socket machine which was shipped with a Kepler now running Maxwell to Pascal soon. Yeah GPU upgrades with MXM (Dead now, since 10 series MXM was mutilated by last supporters - Clevo/Sager and MSI and Dell kicked the bucket with their own proprietary DGFF BS while HP use the one which dont have BIOS chips on the PCB making them useless on any MXM machine with standard form factor.
rrinker - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
I don't know what you people do to your phones and laptops that the batteries are shot and won;t hold a charge after 2 years or less. I just recently finally upgraded from my iPhone 5S, which I got a few months after release (after the initial clamor of the "gotta have it on day 1" died off so I could walk in a store and walk out with a phone instead of being told they were out of stock and waiting for more), as it had FINALLY started not holding a charge as long as it originally did - over 5 years old. I've had previous one for a long time as well, and none of them were having battery issues at the time they got replaced, the 5S is the longest I held on to one, but prior to that I was always skipping a model or two.The only laptop I have is my work one, which is a couple of years old now, an HP, the battery still lasts as long as it did when I first got it, even though I run it plugged in 99% of the time. This is not an ultra-thin machine though, the bottom comes off and the battery can be replaced, it's not soldered or glued on. Neither is the RAM or the M.2 SSD. It's not a giant brick though, either.
phoenix_rizzen - Monday, November 18, 2019 - link
Trickly charge vs fast charge vs QuickCharge.Run battery to 0%, charge to 100%, repeat daily.
Stick it in a case that doesn't transfer heat very well.
If you baby the battery (trickly charge only, never below 20%, never about 80%, never overheat, etc), you can make it last for years and years and years.
Beat the crap out of the battery on a daily basis, and you'll be lucky to get 2 years out of it. My Galaxy S7 is on it's third battery now, just shy of the 4th year of ownership. But I'm hard on the battery. :D I like to actually use my phone for more than texting. :D
Wrong_again - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
I need an OLED tablet with this please. Samsung is letting Microsoft run away with the high performance Windows 10 tablet/convertible market.HStewart - Friday, November 1, 2019 - link
There is better options for high performance tablets than Microsoft. Dell and Asus are better examples.A decade or so, I would say ThinkPad's, but Lenovo has messed it up but still not that bad if go high end.
abufrejoval - Tuesday, November 5, 2019 - link
I just wish they'd start using the big black bar below the display for more display instead of a logo.