Vista "was" a excellent OS when paired with decent hardware and updated... which is likely why so many like Windows 7. It is after all based upon Vista. I am assuming (graphic wise) some really like it on plasma's due to the active desktop feature that was removed in Win7. Also .. if you own a legit copy.. sure why the hell not use it? I've got a retail copy of it on one of my machines.
The main reason people didn't like it was because they were to used to windows xp. Not talking the tech savvy ones but the masses. Computer use gained wide scale appeal across the spectrum during XP.. so you had your Klingons on a larger scale than what was seen with Win 95/98 and 2000.
It wasn't the masses fault either.. but Microsofts. Bit different with Win8 though as they naturally expected their legion (am I saying that right?) of desktop users to adapt to their new vision which included their bastard step sons Tablet/Phone users. Sad thing is it didn't quite play out as they had hoped, which is why Win8 is failing.
Vista was good just that it was a major change from xp especially in regards to resource requirement... Vista was brilliant for the fact it helped 64bit get picked up by the masses and manufacturers were forced to rewrite drivers which was initially one of the worst issues but as soon as they got their arses in gear it was good... It provided an extremely solid base for the refinedwindows 7 to swoop in :).
However I don't understand why you feel you need these latest drivers? Microsoft has already ended mainstream support for vista so expecting others to continue supporting a dead platform is rather optimistic, you should have good enough performance with the latest drivers available to you really :P.
You'd think so .. but not always the case. I have huge problems with legacy drivers.. and well hell there's no support for them any more so their kinda sol.
err (lol..) I should have been "some" although I to recently ran into a issue with a 4800 series card and good old vista which is surprising because I recall that OS running extremely well with those cards.
yep, Vista was not popular because it was too different from the previous version. it was much more similar to server versions of windows, and I liked it exactly because of that trait. Unfortunately MS stopped adding features to it in order to promote Windows 7, even if both have the same "core". now the changes became too big to ignore, unfortunately Vista really is dead.
And I believe Vista the last complete "re-write" of code that MS did lately. In fact if you look at system-level drivers, you will see that most of them are from year 2006. Just open Device Manager, choose a component and see the driver: if it was made by Microsoft, it probably is from year 2006 - the year before Vista was released. This is true even on Windows 8 - the UI may be brand new, but some of the gears behind the curtains are from Vista.
I agree about Win 8 but I believe the next iteration will solve all the problems Microsoft developed this Tick Tock solution to quell people hatred of moving to new things, Millenium-XP, Vista-7, Win8-9.......it seems like the initial releases they plan on bombing while introducing new features. I read a long time ago with 7 Microsoft wanted to officially kill 32 bit support and make the jump to 64bit, 128bit versions, but they came to the conclusion it was way 2 early for the adoption, I can see processors making that jump first before the OS otherwise we would have to buy Procs in pairs similar to server solutions, but with the Ghz to core rate I actually think dual sockets might be the next step unless Intel or AMD innovates again instead of marginal upgrades.
prasanth writes: "The main reason people didn't like Vista was because it just sucked. Plain and simple."
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I don't see how anyone who happens to be tech savvy or a computer enthusiast could say that about Vista unless they hadn't really used it. It was far and away better than WinXP. Certainly it had problems early on with drivers.. and older systems didn't always take to it quite so well but the same problems existed for previous incarnations of Windows as well.
I don't think arguing Vista is great when "paired with decent hardware and updated" nor mentioning 7 is based on Vista, therefore Vista was a great OS, says much about Vista.
Vista was a total disaster, 7 was what MS wanted, but instead they got Vista.
The main reason people didn't like Vista was because it just sucked. Plain and simple. I'm sorry. I can't even start to tell about all the people I switched over to 7 or back to XP, and I'm not going to rehash whats already available on the net about Vista's short comings.
My advice to OP: snap out of it!
Hell, I'm sure by just switching to 7, you'll see an improvement just about everywhere than getting this driver.
I hate to break this 2 you but Vista was the first 64 bit OS that actually worked, xp Pro was a complete disaster on the 64 bit front, a lot of enthusiasts know this and BTW 7 is Vista tweaked. Grant it 7 is completely worth the jump but when you plan out upgrade paths certain things take more priority when it comes to performance and 7 increased performance by a small margin, so Why? make the upgrade when you can spend the 180$ on a Samsung Pro SSD.
I believe neither the driver nor the game are ready for mantle. MS may also want to have some period of exclusivity on this, to make the new console look better than the average PC for some time.
That is not going to happen, as long as the PC version supports greater resolutions than 1080p PC will always have more of an advantage especially at 4k that is about double the resolution that needs 1/6th the AA.
yes, the PC will always have more power. but they may want the console to LOOK better for some time. it does not have to BE faster, as long as it just looks faster. ;)
ya i dont understand it . amd can still support XP, 7, 8, 8.1 but not vista i still use vista and from what i see is the newer games run on vista [bf4] dontg recall seeing XP , and my best gaming rig is vista . as like just4u i get full retail and have loaded vista on 4 builds and as of today the problon i have had with it now is amd. yes vista was odd, buggy and what ever when it first came out but now it works real good and my benches are as good as my 7 rig. and i think the display on the monitor with vista is better then 7. but why can they write a driver for XP and 7 and leave vista out? also the new amd a88x chipsets fully support XP but not vista i mean if i was to choose a OS on a new rig between XP and vista it sure as heck not XP dont rember seeing XP support for the new bf4 game . but what i think is your fixing to be forced to lasted ver.of windows and that os only.
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Elixer - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
These don't support Vista either.I guess it is true, AMD dropped Vista support. :(
prasanth - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but... Vista??just4U - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
Vista "was" a excellent OS when paired with decent hardware and updated... which is likely why so many like Windows 7. It is after all based upon Vista. I am assuming (graphic wise) some really like it on plasma's due to the active desktop feature that was removed in Win7. Also .. if you own a legit copy.. sure why the hell not use it? I've got a retail copy of it on one of my machines.The main reason people didn't like it was because they were to used to windows xp. Not talking the tech savvy ones but the masses. Computer use gained wide scale appeal across the spectrum during XP.. so you had your Klingons on a larger scale than what was seen with Win 95/98 and 2000.
It wasn't the masses fault either.. but Microsofts. Bit different with Win8 though as they naturally expected their legion (am I saying that right?) of desktop users to adapt to their new vision which included their bastard step sons Tablet/Phone users. Sad thing is it didn't quite play out as they had hoped, which is why Win8 is failing.
Hicks12 - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
Vista was good just that it was a major change from xp especially in regards to resource requirement... Vista was brilliant for the fact it helped 64bit get picked up by the masses and manufacturers were forced to rewrite drivers which was initially one of the worst issues but as soon as they got their arses in gear it was good... It provided an extremely solid base for the refinedwindows 7 to swoop in :).However I don't understand why you feel you need these latest drivers? Microsoft has already ended mainstream support for vista so expecting others to continue supporting a dead platform is rather optimistic, you should have good enough performance with the latest drivers available to you really :P.
just4U - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
You'd think so .. but not always the case. I have huge problems with legacy drivers.. and well hell there's no support for them any more so their kinda sol.just4U - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
err (lol..) I should have been "some" although I to recently ran into a issue with a 4800 series card and good old vista which is surprising because I recall that OS running extremely well with those cards.3DVagabond - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
The reason Vista wasn't popular is nobody asked for it. Everyone was happy with XP. If anything people wanted less bloat and Vista gave us more.That said, these are betas. Let's wait and see if there's no Vista support on the next WHQL release.
marc1000 - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
yep, Vista was not popular because it was too different from the previous version. it was much more similar to server versions of windows, and I liked it exactly because of that trait. Unfortunately MS stopped adding features to it in order to promote Windows 7, even if both have the same "core". now the changes became too big to ignore, unfortunately Vista really is dead.And I believe Vista the last complete "re-write" of code that MS did lately. In fact if you look at system-level drivers, you will see that most of them are from year 2006. Just open Device Manager, choose a component and see the driver: if it was made by Microsoft, it probably is from year 2006 - the year before Vista was released. This is true even on Windows 8 - the UI may be brand new, but some of the gears behind the curtains are from Vista.
1Angelreloaded - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
I agree about Win 8 but I believe the next iteration will solve all the problems Microsoft developed this Tick Tock solution to quell people hatred of moving to new things, Millenium-XP, Vista-7, Win8-9.......it seems like the initial releases they plan on bombing while introducing new features. I read a long time ago with 7 Microsoft wanted to officially kill 32 bit support and make the jump to 64bit, 128bit versions, but they came to the conclusion it was way 2 early for the adoption, I can see processors making that jump first before the OS otherwise we would have to buy Procs in pairs similar to server solutions, but with the Ghz to core rate I actually think dual sockets might be the next step unless Intel or AMD innovates again instead of marginal upgrades.just4U - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
prasanth writes: "The main reason people didn't like Vista was because it just sucked. Plain and simple."---------------
I don't see how anyone who happens to be tech savvy or a computer enthusiast could say that about Vista unless they hadn't really used it. It was far and away better than WinXP. Certainly it had problems early on with drivers.. and older systems didn't always take to it quite so well but the same problems existed for previous incarnations of Windows as well.
prasanth - Monday, October 7, 2013 - link
prasanth also wrote: " I'm not going to rehash whats already available on the net about Vista's short comings."---------------
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prasanth - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
I don't think arguing Vista is great when "paired with decent hardware and updated" nor mentioning 7 is based on Vista, therefore Vista was a great OS, says much about Vista.Vista was a total disaster, 7 was what MS wanted, but instead they got Vista.
The main reason people didn't like Vista was because it just sucked. Plain and simple. I'm sorry. I can't even start to tell about all the people I switched over to 7 or back to XP, and I'm not going to rehash whats already available on the net about Vista's short comings.
My advice to OP: snap out of it!
Hell, I'm sure by just switching to 7, you'll see an improvement just about everywhere than getting this driver.
1Angelreloaded - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
I hate to break this 2 you but Vista was the first 64 bit OS that actually worked, xp Pro was a complete disaster on the 64 bit front, a lot of enthusiasts know this and BTW 7 is Vista tweaked. Grant it 7 is completely worth the jump but when you plan out upgrade paths certain things take more priority when it comes to performance and 7 increased performance by a small margin, so Why? make the upgrade when you can spend the 180$ on a Samsung Pro SSD.junky77 - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
Mantle anybody? Does Mantle need to be included in the Catalyst driver package or what?marc1000 - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
I believe neither the driver nor the game are ready for mantle. MS may also want to have some period of exclusivity on this, to make the new console look better than the average PC for some time.1Angelreloaded - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
That is not going to happen, as long as the PC version supports greater resolutions than 1080p PC will always have more of an advantage especially at 4k that is about double the resolution that needs 1/6th the AA.marc1000 - Tuesday, October 1, 2013 - link
yes, the PC will always have more power. but they may want the console to LOOK better for some time. it does not have to BE faster, as long as it just looks faster. ;)FuriousPop - Monday, October 7, 2013 - link
lol - comments mostly about vista! does anyone actually talk about the article itself!?I'm currently running 13.8 beta's and can say that i have major issues with BF4, anyone tested these 13.10b2 with BF4?
Also if possible can any advise ur temps when running bf3?
junkieymonkiey - Thursday, November 14, 2013 - link
ya i dont understand it . amd can still support XP, 7, 8, 8.1 but not vista i still use vista and from what i see is the newer games run on vista [bf4] dontg recall seeing XP , and my best gaming rig is vista . as like just4u i get full retail and have loaded vista on 4 builds and as of today the problon i have had with it now is amd. yes vista was odd, buggy and what ever when it first came out but now it works real good and my benches are as good as my 7 rig. and i think the display on the monitor with vista is better then 7. but why can they write a driver for XP and 7 and leave vista out? also the new amd a88x chipsets fully support XP but not vista i mean if i was to choose a OS on a new rig between XP and vista it sure as heck not XP dont rember seeing XP support for the new bf4 game . but what i think is your fixing to be forced to lasted ver.of windows and that os only.